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Via Felix Salmon, I just read an entertaining (but I think dubious) blog post from hedge fund blogger Veryan Allen taking on indexing pioneer Jack Bogle. Here’s a taste:

Is it really common sense to imply investment skill cannot exist and investors should not try to identify good fund managers? Not many would want to ride in a car driven by John Bogle. I guess he would just place a brick on the accelerator, remove the steering wheel, gaze at the rear view mirror and wait for the nice destination he anticipates. No need to worry about ongoing risks and obstacles in the path when paradise looms in the so-called long term….

I’m mostly with Bogle on this one. You can argue until you are blue in the face whether investment skill really exists. (Beyond a basic hurdle of competence, that is.) I’m not sure it does, but I’m not sure it doesn’t. But I’m downright certain that I can’t identify market-beating investment skill in advance. Not only is past performance no guarantee of future results (as they say in the fund ads), it probably hurts future results. When a fund manager gets hot he attracts a lot of new money he has to put to work in the market, which usually forces him to build a portfolio that looks more and more like the index. Either that or he quits to start a hedge fund. Buy an index fund and you don’t have to worry about any of that. You just own the whole stock market–and cheaply, too.

But that’s just the case for index funds vs. active mutual fund managers. What about indexers vs. hedge funds, those largely unregulated private investment vehicles that have become so popular among institutions and the super-wealthy?

Hedge funds are different. Buy a typical U.S. stock mutual fund, and you’ll basically get U.S. stocks’ returns, plus or minus luck, and maybe plus or minus a premium/discount for risk, and definitely minus expenses. A real hedge fund, on the other hand, is traveling far afield from the S&P 500. It may be shorting stocks, levering up, buying commodities, doing land deals, investing in private firms, making currency plays… you name it. So a hedge fund has a real shot at making money in falling stock market. (As well as a good shot at falling apart in a rising market, I should add.) If nothing else, they can provide diversification. And that’s not nothin’ at all.

Still, I doubt it’s much easier to identify outperforming hedge fund managers in advance than it is to identify next year’s winning mutual funds. And for most of us, it’s an academic question. You have to have A LOT of money to buy into a hedge fund, and I suspect you have to have bucketloads of gushers full of millions of A LOT of money to get into the best ones–especially if you don’t want to be gouged by middlemen. Some mutual funds are trying to approximate hedge strategies, and I’m intrigued by a few of them, but by their nature they’ll always lack some advantages that the hedgies enjoy. Most will be too big, for example, and they won’t be able to keep their investors from taking their money out for months or even years. (On the other hand, they are far cheaper.)

Some of the smartest pension and endowment managers have been using hedge funds as a basic ingredient of their long-term asset allocation. Are they having any luck identifying real talent? Who knows? But they are broadening their clients’ market exposure in a way that most individual investors cannot. Perhaps that’s one more reason to regret the sharp decline of traditional pensions in favor of 401(k)s. Many of us have been forced to take over the job of managing all of our retirement assets, but we’ll never have access to all the tools the pros can use.

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Posted by patregnier 1:06 pm 7 Comments comment | Add a comment

What starts in the institutional world slowly drips down to retail markets. There is no reason why an intelligent (accredited) retail investor can’t use the same types of tools that institutions use. If you buy into that then why aren’t institutions all using indexing if that is the best way to put capital to work?

- Richard
Hedge Fund Blogger
http://richard-wilson.blogspot.com

Posted By Richard Wilson, Cambridge, MA : January 25, 2008 12:48 am

Keyword: ‘layperson’. Indexing is for laypeople. Nothing wrong with that, some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet are laypeople. Perhaps, however, you read the paper, consider yourself well-informed and would like to express an investment opinion of your own. Perhaps you see a world where water utilities, select clean energy providers and agriculture will play an ever increasing role. You should index completely only if you will have no regrets about being left behind. Indexing is by no means a consignment to failure, but it could very well be a direct path to mediocrity. Of course, Bogle’s point may be that in this arena and with the stake’s so high, mediocrity doesn’t sound too bad.

Posted By Reg, Boston Ma : November 29, 2007 12:44 pm

Here is some evidence on hedge funds and ability to identify future outperformers–from academic studies.
There is no persistence of performance beyond the randomly expected: A study concluded that there was no evidence of any persistent ability of managers in a particular style classification to earn returns in excess of their style benchmark.With no demonstrated persistence in performance, it is hard to see how one could identify the future top performers. This finding is supported by other studies on the subject. In addition, while investment management firms running “funds of funds” (so investors get the important benefit of diversification) tout their superior fund manager selection skills, a study found no evidence of any such skills. For the period 1994–2001, the average fund of funds underperformed an equally-weighted portfolio of randomly selected (from the sample) hedge funds by 3 percent per annum.

Larry Swedroe, author of six books on investing MPT and the EMH, the latest being Wise Investing Made Simple

Posted By Larry Swedroe, Saint Louis, MO : October 31, 2007 10:55 pm

we’ll never have access to all the tools the pros can use

Hmm… do I want a “tool” that charges me 1% to 2% in management fees (regardless of its performance) and then takes 20% of the profits if it just so happens to make money?

Thanks, but the pros can keep it.

And Dumas from Malvern, PA needs to learn some manners.

Posted By Ted, Centreville, VA : July 5, 2007 4:35 pm

Mike from Langhorne should marry Bogle.

Posted By Dumas, Malvern, PA : June 21, 2007 2:20 pm

I really can’t boo-hoo that “regular” people can’t get into hedge funds. Most regular people are so bewildered by stocks, bonds, funds, money markets, IRA’s, 401(k), 403(b), etc. that are available to them readily that they never make ANY decision to invest. Adding hedge funds into the mix would just make a bad situation even worse. The PPA legistlation that just went through got it right. Automatically put away money for people into a target retirement date fund, and then automatically increase each year to a limit. That’s how most people are going to get helped with their financial planning, basically having it done for them.

Posted By Rachael, Northborough, MA : June 21, 2007 1:07 pm

Anyone who has read Jack Bogle’s latest book, “The Little Book of Common Sense Investing”, and has an ounce of logic, clearly understands that indexing is the best way for laypeople to invest their money. Jack comes to the table with facts and figures supporting his argument. Where are Veran’s facts and figures showing how hedge funds win so often? What is Veran’s track record? What does Veran invest his money in? If Jack is so wrong, why has Vanguard done so well in so little time?

Posted By Mike, Langhorne, PA : June 20, 2007 3:13 pm

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